The Alt-Free Speech Social Media Website

Thanks to the privacy and security invading procedures adopted by most of the popular social media websites, individuals seek for alternative and less intruding options in order to preserve a sense of personal privacy.  You have social media giants, like Facebook, constantly threatening to censor individuals with different ideals and/or marking many things as spam or “fake media”, sometimes out of convenience, all while leaving other apparent fake media still up until this date.  When it comes MAPs they get censored almost everywhere they go in many different ways, and of course, popular social medias are no exceptions.  So how does alternative platforms comes in order to promote our movement?  Are those websites who claim freedom of speech actually live up to their standards?  Today I will focus on a social media site in particular, one by the name of Minds (Website’s Link).

 

 

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Minds is an alternative social media site that has been gaining popularity for being a more privacy respecting site, in contrast to the privacy invading tyrant known as Facebook.  It combines Facebook, Youtube and Google + to make it’s site work, as well as some other added features, some which are pretty interesting, others that needs improvements, but Minds is still in Beta, so it’s fine in that aspect.  The real things to address here is how freedom of speech is convinced by Minds.  This website, like many alternative websites, have been adopted by those who are normally censored by other websites because of their controversial views and many who advocates for establishment of violent institutions and/or pseudo-scientific movements.  There are also those who merely wishes to socialize without having to sacrifice the comforts of privacy and security.

This particular website called attention to some in the pedophile community, given the stance it had on freedom of speech (or so it had), as they have as recently as 7/19/2017  changed it’s Terms of Services after banning a number of pedophiles from advocating for pedophilia, with the excuse of “inciting to violence against children” (Minds TOS).  Among those in such sudden banning actions, myself was included.  Unfortunately, this is the second time I get banned from Minds unfairly, so I was already disillusioned with it, but still decided to give it another second try for to this time advocate for pedophilia.  As it was common,  warm greetings were not the case and hateful comments were directed, but for the time being I was able to post and talk about my views without being exactly censored, because said site promoted freedom of speech.  Everything was mostly going good as to propagating the message was until incidents started happening in where individuals were claiming that pedophiles in the Minds community were promoting “child abuse”, while we made it clear in different ways that we advocate for law changes in current society, not promoting the breaking of laws while it still being illegal and definitely not “abuse”, because we’re pedophiles, and that’s not the same.

It is truly disappointing for websites to claim to respect freedom of speech, but then decide to deprive of such things to those groups who actually need them.  What would be the point of promoting such a thing in the first place then? (and cowardly change the TOS to cover their asses afterwards?)  Is alienating the MAP community from discussion really the right choice?  What possible benefits could be achieved in ostracizing a group people into such a situation in where technically not even freedom of speech (nor any type of freedom for that matter) is allowed to them?  Is censoring really more cherished than than embracing fierce and productive rational discussion?

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“US law is Minds benchmark and all legal content will be allowed. These same channels and content are posted on several social media sites as legal content.”, John Ottman, Co-Founder of Minds.  Ironically enough, that was stated by John a few days before we all got abruptly banned for “offending speech”.  What is even more ironic were that the hate comments we received were by far more “offensive” and even graphic than anything any of the pedophiles in that platform, during then, ever posted.  It is truly sad that even websites that refuses to follow the path of social media giants, when it really comes to it, they also comply with the same censoring procedures as their competitors.  Here I will now end showing a few examples of some of the things that were posted to us in that website in general.

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There were by far more graphic material posted against us in a lot of ways, but I do not want to make this entry a distasteful one.  Anyways, having shown these, it is truly unfortunate being disappointed by Minds for a second time, as it was a website stating to defend freedom of speech but resulted to be telling no more than lies, while letting real inciters to violence to freely advocate for our unjust persecution in their domains.  I am also aware that this post has become more than a ranting than usual, but this was something I really needed to get out of the system, as well as my duty to call them out for not really promoting what they advertise and then change their term of services to fit their convenience and not lose traffic.  So at the end, they are nothing more than any of the other websites, if anything they’re probably worse from what it seems apparent.

20 Replies to “The Alt-Free Speech Social Media Website”

  1. The ToS indicate now:
    “The Content does not include or link to material advocating pedophilia or regarding harm to a child;”
    These so-called “alternative sites” are a haven for alt-righters. Also Seen.Life claims not to censor users, that is true for porn or alt-right activism, but not for MAPs, the HP group was banned, and some of its leaders had their profiles deleted and IP numbers blocked by Seen.Life.
    Censorship always hits art and free thought, never haters and Nazis. Remember the attempts by the Internet service provider JaguarPC, then by the domain registrar Register.com to censor Pigtails in Paint?
    See also what I wrote on Google+ about how they censored me for a legal artistic photograph, then for participating in a group, while they tolerate hate speech, Nazi apology and Holocaust denial, which are illegal in several European countries:
    https://plus.google.com/+AgapetaWordpress/posts/a4XtwKGaSyQ

    1. Yes, it is truly hypocritical for them to allow one thing, but not the other and then claim we promote violence while also having actual violence promoters among them? And as the screen-shots I showed, some that actually did want and would have tried to hurt me if they could and they’re still there?

      Yeah, I heard about HP being in seen.life, I was around HP while they were on Google +, right before the Anti-HP group took them down or whoever was that took them down. You might recognize me as the one who went by “Loli Chan” while being there.

  2. Are you really that surprised? I mean, seriously, are you surprised by the outcome? You should’ve known that was going to happen: we don’t have true freedom of speech in the Western world, and that’s been proven time and again. White Nationalists and Klansmen are granted more leeway in expressing their opinion than we are, for Christ’s sake. People like Richard Spencer and organizations Britain First—xenophobic, hardline euro-skeptic right-wing radicals— are given more wiggle room than we are; and we’re usually pro-choice, pro-immigration reform, pro-gun control, for universal healthcare and free or reduced college education, and friendly toward the LGBTQ+ community, yet we’re constantly spat on.

    YouTube doesn’t want us, they shut our content down because of popular demand, and of course, Minds, being a right-wing stronghold, is gonna deny our right to freedom of speech too. We’ve been routinely booted off of Facebook, Google, and God knows what else. We’re not welcome anywhere beside the places we setup ourselves, and that’s no mistake.

    1. No, I am not surprised at all to be honest. As I said in the article, I was banned from there before because of something even more ridiculous. In fact, as soon as we joined there, I remember I told Hypersonic this: “I give myself one week before I get banned from there.” and just as I said, I got banned, but in less than a week. I was already expecting it, since these sites never really live up to what they claim to be, however, just because I was expecting it doesn’t mean that it will escape my criticism towards such platform. I agree with you completely that most of the sites where we are even able to thrive in are all made by us, mostly.

  3. Welcome to WordPress.com…

    …one of the scant few hosts I’ve found long term stability on, as an open MAP.

    I also have a Minds account, but I’ve not used it for anything other than checking out the service. I never had any strong expectations, that they actually revere true free speech….But, I was exploring alternatives to Twitter, in the event Twitter ever dies.

    Twitter, to me, is more an art of “talking about MAP issues”, without actually talking about [or advocating for] them…Or focusing on the peripheral issues, while having the rare philosophical discussion on…the true harm posed…on the rightness or wrongness, of “the justice system”…on human nature…and so forth.

    …It really pisses off some of the vigilantes, because they cant really pinpoint where I’ve violated TOS…”But they just know it’s happening!”…

    …I always love telling them just how paranoid they are…

    Well, hey…If these services and their users are going to be such insufferable abusers towards us…we might as well debase their whole foundation for abusing us, and make it impossible for them to clearly have “justification”…Make them doubt themselves at every step, and question their own judgment and perception…If the axe falls upon us, be the martyr who went down for “offenses” 90% of the user base could be taken down for.

    I could tell some stories about self claimed “free speech champions”…

    …Most people who go out of their way, to boast their “superior standards and ethics” up, don’t understand a thing about free speech principles, when the issue gets a bit too taboo, emotionally controversial, and concerns the illegal.

    Oh, sure…They’re still “free speech champions” [in their own fantasies]..

    …They just never figured on a MAP taking them up on their offer…nor on actually having to live up to their promise, under such a circumstance.

    …They want people like themselves to have free speech…but lack all foresight, for other groups they don’t like joining the party.

    …Those “party crashers” get kicked out.

    1. >”If the axe falls upon us, be the martyr who went down for “offenses” 90% of the user base could be taken down for.”

      Yes, this is exactly what is happening. We get taken down for “offenses” while they themselves were (and still are in fact) committing actual violations of the TOS in Minds towards MAPs who were and still are in the board.

      I could tell stories about those “free speech champions” as well, they are some interesting individuals, that’s for sure.

      1. It’s always been this way…

        Twenty years ago, there was a lot of complaining about GeoCities…Any big, mainstream service, or one that caters to a certain mindset, will always have these kinds of double standards.

        They’ll endlessly allow people to talk trash about [and libel] MAPs on their platform, but they wont allow MAPs a place to respond…not directly.

        A MAP has to be very measured and careful…vague, in some regards, if they want to be seen there at all.

        Historically, I always knew this and acted accordingly…and I didn’t really experience much personal censorship…

        When I started blogging in 2006, that was a totally different animal from anything in my past…I was different, and acting for different reasons, from my previous online projects…And it’s absolutely personal, now…

        When I started, I didn’t imagine it would go far…but it exploded out, over a nine month window…I didn’t know I had that much writing left in me…But it was only the beginning, of my rebirth.

        I guess, after so long…I started feeling more secure, like with my previous websites…Then, the really nasty acts of censorship started to happen.

        BlogSpot became the evil establishment…leaving many MAPs adrift.

        I have a BlogSpot account, again…But it does little more than host a live chat room…I’ve not done any serious building, there…And what is there, is fairly vague.

        We have to find, use and spread awareness, of places like WordPress.com, if we have any real expectations of saying what needs to be said.

        Actual free speech platforms do still exist…even if they are ultra rare.

        1. >”Any big, mainstream service, or one that caters to a certain mindset, will always have these kinds of double standards.”

          It is an unfortunate truth, but something we must steadily fight against by other means just as creating our platforms as well. This place is a good start, that’s for sure. There is something interesting about this age of technology as well, as in we have so many places where we could reunite to discuss and organize different things, this in particular was made known to me through Hypersonic.

          >”We have to find, use and spread awareness, of places like WordPress.com, if we have any real expectations of saying what needs to be said.
          Actual free speech platforms do still exist…even if they are ultra rare.”

          Yes, these boards do exist, but my worries are for how long will they… That’s why I bring the whole hosting our own sites as well, it would surely help the incredible censoring we have against us. As much as I love WordPress (I have used it before in another blog I have for poetry), limiting ourselves to several websites won’t really spread our messages located in these blogs, which I would be delighted if they made all the way to the masses. Even if such messages causes controversy, I rather have that over merely having like-minded individuals reading what I have to say, though I do appreciate the presence of fellow MAPs and supporters in general here.

  4. “Yes, these boards do exist, but my worries are for how long will they…”

    A large part of the reason I “left” the BL/GL boards and ventured back into the mainstream internet, is because this world is going to have to come to terms with the fact that we exist…And I refuse to not be standing on the same “level ground”, as everyone else.

    We need to break this social mentality, that “MAPs don’t belong here”…Which is why I wish MAPs would flood these resources, in masses. They don’t need to advocate anything controversial…just openly be there, and engaging…Be a human presence.

    “That’s why I bring the whole hosting our own sites as well, it would surely help the incredible censoring we have against us.”

    Out of pure necessity, I agree that we still need base hosting that specializes in MAP community needs.

    The problems are at least two fold…

    “limiting ourselves to several websites won’t really spread our messages located in these blogs, which I would be delighted if they made all the way to the masses. Even if such messages causes controversy, I rather have that over merely having like-minded individuals reading what I have to say”

    Exactly…If we have our own services, however nice that may be on one level…we are going to be an island…some might even suggest “a ghetto”…and we wont be well tied into any system, other than our own closed community. That’s all great if we want to focus on our own community, but it doesn’t do much for outreach…finding other MAPs…networking…collaborating…

    In addition…we already have issues with “to many eggs in one basket”…The main system gets interrupted, and “everybody goes down”.

    If there were more options, it wouldn’t be such an issue in that last regard.

    FreeSpirits was exploring both building and offering a blogging platform, back when I was in limbo between blog.com and wordpress.com…Had they had something up and running, I’d have probably given it a try, even though I know it wouldn’t have offered all the features I want…nor been tied into the larger system…In fact, it may have been hindered, due to search engine skewing…

    …In addition, I was embroiled in a fight, with a grossly abusive regular on BoyChat, who would have likely been emboldened by my blog sharing the same host, to show up and leave their bile on my blog…A bit of distance does, sometimes, have it’s perks.

    I wish FreeSpirits had gone ahead with this project, just to see how well it did.

    1. >”we are going to be an island…some might even suggest “a ghetto”…and we wont be well tied into any system, other than our own closed community.”

      Yes, I agree that we have to make our presence in other places as well. I even try to push such in my own personal accounts as well as my life in general. Many individuals are aware that I am a MAP, but also are able to recognize that I’m a decent individual to them because I proved that to them countless of times in the past, by either talking and/or action. I also agree to having our communities, but as bases, at least when it comes to advocacy it should be oriented to those that are unaware of us, otherwise it would be like “what it’s said in this house, stays in this house” and that’s not really encouraging any case, perhaps it works to better organize our arguments by receiving critics from supporters, curious and respectable passing-byers and other MAPs, which is a good thing to build strong arguments.

      >”In addition…we already have issues with “to many eggs in one basket”…The main system gets interrupted, and “everybody goes down”.”

      I also agree with that, I have been noticing that a lot, that we concentrate in several places, but seem to not be as much as in contact with every one of them, and I also noticed the controversies we have ourselves in the overall community. It would be better if we also had a place where all these different communities could linger for discussion purposes and also to get to know fellow MAPs as in knowing just how many of us are there and our different stances would really help into settling our inner issues maybe even organize into a bigger movement, having common goals in mind. I know I might be dreaming a little here, but I would like to see that because we need to start somewhere, that’s for sure.

      Finding other MAPs in “mainstream” communities is a thing that actually happens often to me and I really like the experience of meeting more people like that through such sites, as well as I have met friends who support me some that even support the community. I have also met individuals who don’t exactly agree with me, but respect my opinions regardless of that, like any decent human being does, with those I have the pleasure of discussing and bringing up different topics, including these ones and we do find common grounds in certain things, as well as I have managed to show them how discriminated and them realizing that perhaps the approach taken to us is not really the correct one. Hopefully discussion with people unaware of how we’re really are, rather than what the media portrays of us will help alleviate the hard prejudice against this community in the long run.

    2. >”…In addition, I was embroiled in a fight, with a grossly abusive regular on BoyChat, who would have likely been emboldened by my blog sharing the same host, to show up and leave their bile on my blog…A bit of distance does, sometimes, have it’s perks.”

      I am sorry to read that. These experiences are really bad and saddening, even more when coming from other MAPs, but still part of what we regularly have to confront due to our politically and even “morally” incorrect point of views. I hope that individual didn’t give you a hard time. I hate to admit some people do get on my nerves often, but I try to control it, since I know I will encounter them everywhere.

      1. This was a peculiar situation, of a BL predating upon other BLs, through BoyChat…The board had been under siege by this person, for somewhere approaching a decade.

        Being someone who’s invested so much of myself into BoyChat, it tore out my heart [and frankly, pissed me off], constantly running into their reign of terror, every single time I visited the board.

        If I’d have still been on the administration, something would have been done about it…But, I wasn’t…and an unhealthy something was going on…leaving this person essentially protected.

        I don’t normally get involved with these things…especially not as a simple poster…But this was a massive stain on BoyChat’s history…and a badge of shame.

        I couldn’t make a post anywhere on the board, for at least a year, without this sociopath making nasty, accusatory replies [which I virtually never responded to].

        I foolishly thought, maybe my taking a stand would signal to the setting admin, things had gone way too far…

        …Sadly, it wouldn’t be until some degree of “changing the guard, a couple of years later, that this individual would finally be put on a chain…Took several bans, before they finally got the message, however.

        The board is reasonably functional, once more.

        I’m glad I took that stand…It was one of the most critical problems, BoyChat has ever faced…He was strangling the community, from within.

        There is this small, subsection of MAPs…who’ve been around for so long, that they’ve seen terrible things happen to other MAPs [people they care about, to be fair]…Maybe something terrible has happened to themselves…And they come back around, blaming the MAP community for it…trying to destroy what we have, and what we’ve built.

        …They imagine they are doing something “good”, in this…”Saving other MAPs, by destroying the poisoned venue, leading to their destruction”, right?…

        It’s a warped way of thinking…But we honestly do have people like that, in the broader MAP community.

        1. >”…They imagine they are doing something “good”, in this…”Saving other MAPs, by destroying the poisoned venue, leading to their destruction”, right?…”

          Sounds like you guys you had your fair share with either antis and/or anti-contacts. I have encountered myself with such individual and I find it hypocritical that, as far as I know, we never choose to disrupt their communities as a whole, but they choose to disturb ours in a self-conceived sense of justice that they are doing what has to be done, like you so claimed. It all boils down to the same thing about websites in general and their stances on free speech, some care more about not losing their consumers than promoting what they initially presented as the foundations of a website, organization, among others, or perhaps to just a collective consensus of individuals that want to keep preventing us from even mere discussion and go as far as harassing to get what they want.

          1. I’ve known a grocery list of Antis, over the years…and a number of MAPs who “lost the plot”, so to speak.

            We were a lot more open and loose, back in the nineties and early two thousands…When outed and faced with what was happening to them [or dear friends], even some pro-contacterrs will backtrack…stab people in the back…suddenly sing a very different tune…

            Speaking from experience…having one’s anonymity violated, and their private life invaded, can be very nerve wracking…It can make you go paranoid…

            …I’m about five years on the other side of that fence…To my knowledge, they’ve never dropped my name and information in public…Though I have been harassed on the street…

            …I’ve never once even thought about turning on my MAP brothers and sisters, or blaming them for any of this.

            Being outed is one of those forks in the road of life, that really separates MAPs into different categories…

            I’m happy for the direction I remained on…While I pity those who chose the other direction.

            To be honest…It’s been liberating.

          2. >”Speaking from experience…having one’s anonymity violated, and their private life invaded, can be very nerve wracking…It can make you go paranoid…”

            I could see why some people would resort to that out of pure paranoia, and it’s honestly sad. So far I don’t recall anyone releasing anything on me, as in an enemy, but I do know some individuals are looking out for me, not that I really care much about it.

            >”To be honest…It’s been liberating.”

            I don’t have the guts to out on my parents, but most of my friends know I’m a pedophile. If I ever did get outed, I would probably feel the same way even though I will also face my parents probable extreme reactions, but that’s probably bound to happen whatever route I choose. Betraying fellow MAPs is low and just to save your overall image would result as being a hypocrite to the movement you’re supporting. It is sad people chose that way, but having said that, I hope I also never think of such thing if I ever get outed by some vengeful individual that chose to undermine my persona, rather than my claims.

  5. While these companies and sites have the right to discriminate what I find annoying is they claim to be bastions of free speech, but just end up banning us. The second they ban us, it leaves the door wide open for further censorship. It happened at Reddit. They banned /r/jailbait (with a shakey excuse) and have been banning more subreddits ever since if they offended people (like /r/fatpeoplehate).

    We all know the poem, “first they came for the socialists….” (insert Hoppe helicopter meme here). Jokes aside, these companies don’t ever really support free speech.

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